New build Sanlorenzo SL96A 2024

Portofino said:

This image is easier to understand I am alone in wondering how its all going to work ?

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What an appalling and malicious post.

The op is kind enough to share details of a boat that most will likely never step on let alone own and he is rewarded with posts like this.

I have no idea what motivates you and you long inaccurate and rambling posts.

The op left the forum for many years and came back. Things like this I imagine simply make him consider it it was all worth it.

I know you want attention but you may feel removal and an apology is appropriate

JFM - Thank you for sharing your new Boat with us. I see some negative comments, but cannot understand why.
In such a project I would have chosen different from what you have, but thats not the point. I am very well interested in your choices, and of course also WHY you have chosen so - e.g. have you a 100 pct copy of Garmin on the Fly ?? - or only navigational devices there ??
Thanks

Portofino said:

Well the boat L is set for amateurs @ LLL 24 M that’s none negotiable.We know the official LLL is heavily manipulated ( legally ) by builders , thats the easy bit to quantify and been admirably done by SL .

Crew levels and crew qualifications are variable .Another ft over the LLL cut off and the transgression to professional skipper legally needs to be done .
Where should a line ( no pun intended) be drawn for skippers ?

Bear in mind other crew ( if I understood what’s been previously written by JFM correctly) are being used / hired .Permanent and seasonal.

Does loadsa kit mitigate this ? Assist amateurs enough with safety that’s all , that’s only the Dir of debate I meant to wonder down .Worthy discussion.No criticism intended never is btw .It’s a bloody big boat in the flesh a huge step up from a 78 ftr size and sophistication wise .Hardly a tiny increment .

Most this size in the Med are professionally skippered .

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I agree that this is a very big boat that will take some handling. I believe that jfm is well qualified for the task with a greater understanding of this boat’s engineering and dynamics than just about anybody on the planet. A million posts ago I think it was identified that there will be a permanent crew and I struggle to think why anyone specifying such a vessel would not utilise the latest and best navigational aids.

Other posters have deplored the use of an image from a real-life tragedy in this way. I concur.

Portofino said:

Well the boat L is set for amateurs @ LLL 24 M that’s none negotiable.We know the official LLL is heavily manipulated ( legally ) by builders , thats the easy bit to quantify and been admirably done by SL .

Crew levels and crew qualifications are variable .Another ft over the LLL cut off and the transgression to professional skipper legally needs to be done .
Where should a line ( no pun intended) be drawn for skippers ?

Bear in mind other crew ( if I understood what’s been previously written by JFM correctly) are being used / hired .Permanent and seasonal.

Does loadsa kit mitigate this ? Assist amateurs enough with safety that’s all , that’s only the Dir of debate I meant to wonder down .Worthy discussion.No criticism intended never is btw .It’s a bloody big boat in the flesh a huge step up from a 78 ftr size and sophistication wise .Hardly a tiny increment .

Most this size in the Med are professionally skippered .


@ MapishM, nothing personal intended .Indeed your Buzzi tragedy example you have introduced “ military grade “ kit and all kinda exemplifies the point . Smaller and for sure faster boat but the plethora kit didn’t prevent a experienced crew from tragedy.

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You don't honestly believe that your average 120ft professional yacht captain is any more competent than JFM is do you? If you do, you really haven't paid much attention over the past decade or so.

benjenbav said:

I agree that this is a very big boat that will take some handling. I believe that jfm is well qualified for the task with a greater understanding of this boat’s engineering and dynamics than just about anybody on the planet. A million posts ago I think it was identified that there will be a permanent crew and I struggle to think why anyone specifying such a vessel would not utilise the latest and best navigational aids.

Other posters have deplored the use of an image from a real-life tragedy. I concur.

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His crew is for the hotel aspects. He always skippers himself.
Expertly.

He probably needs someone like me for crew…young, strong, fast

jrudge said:

What an appalling and malicious post.

The op is kind enough to share details of a boat that most will likely never step on let alone own and he is rewarded with posts like this.

I have no idea what motivates you and you long inaccurate and rambling posts.

The op left the forum for many years and came back. Things like this I imagine simply make him consider it it was all worth it.

I know you want attention but you may feel removal and an apology is appropriate

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I've got no idea what you are talking about.
I ignored him a few years ago and life has been much better since.
You can't "unread" stupid stuff so it is best not to read it in the first place

I think people are getting upset for no reason…look, Porto is a smart guy (with an impressive cv) he does however have a ‘unique’ way of writing that may not be something he has control over…but please can we just calm down

Bouba said:

He probably needs someone like me for crew…young, strong, fast

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……with the sweeping brush and chamois leather

Wansworth said:

……with the sweeping brush and chamois leather

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I wish I could find someone like me to clean my boat

Bouba said:

He probably needs someone like me for crew…young, strong, fast

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If that's the only criteria, I don't stand a chance to be considered.
But if jfm could use someone onboard for managing the wine cellar, I'm in!

Porto you come across as such a jerk always. It's not worth the keystrokes replying to you at any length, and you would just come back with more of the same, so I'll just leave it.

In other more interesting news, the boat had its first sea trial yesterday. Below is the graph from Sleipner of the stabiliser performance. This is raw out-of-the-box, before any fine tuning, and as you can see it wasn't a rough day, but nevertheless the results are very decent indeed. Also it's nice to see that the natural roll period is a slowish 5.76 secs, hence the pleasingly long X axis of about 3 and a half minutes. That roll period is about 5x longer than a 40 foot itama, and all that brain bashing that occurs on an itama might explain a few things .

I don't have any other pictures (yet). As regards timing, it is feeling like the handover might well happen just before Easter holidays, which would be nice.

jfm said:

In other more interesting news, the boat had its first sea trial yesterday. Below is the graph from Sleipner of the stabiliser performance. This is raw out-of-the-box, before any fine tuning, and as you can see it wasn't a rough day, but nevertheless the results are very decent indeed. Also it's nice to see that the natural roll period is a slowish 5.76 secs. That's 5x longer than a 40 foot itama, and all that brain bashing that occurs on an itama might explain a few things .

I don't have any other pictures (yet). As regards timing, it is feeling like the handover might well happen just before Easter holidays, which would be nice.

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I would love to have heard those engines start for the first time.

"would be nice" must be an understatement crikey how excited are you really on a scale of 1 to 10??!

Elessar said:

I would love to have heard those engines start for the first time.

"would be nice" must be an understatement crikey how excited are you really on a scale of 1 to 10??!

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If I was there I'd have to declare "FIRE IN THE HOLE"!

piratos said:

JFM - Thank you for sharing your new Boat with us. I see some negative comments, but cannot understand why.
In such a project I would have chosen different from what you have, but thats not the point. I am very well interested in your choices, and of course also WHY you have chosen so - e.g. have you a 100 pct copy of Garmin on the Fly ?? - or only navigational devices there ??
Thanks

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Thanks Piratos. On the fly, there is 100% the same data available but only 3 big Garmin screens to view it on, rather than 5. So you can do everything just the same, but you have to think slightly differently about what to display and when/when. Not that 3 big screens is any hardship.

The fly has a pair of MTU's screens in addition to the 3 Garmin screens, so the Garmin screen space isn't taken up by engine data. Also the autopilot functionality is the same at both helms, including steering by a rotary encoder built into the arm rest of the helm chair.

All non nav functionality is available at both helms via touch GUI: music, generators on/off, fuel data and tank transfers (and choice of which pump to use), electrical load info, water maker control, bilge pumps control, back/grey tanks levels and emptying, etc

These multiple Garmin screens have a very useful "scenes" thing (they don't call it that; I've forgotten their jargon). You can set up the 3 or 5 screens how you want them for say docking, and you create a one-touch "docking" button on the home screen which automatically puts all 3 or 5 screens into your chosen docking mode. Then you can set up other buttons for (say) "day running", "night running" and "at anchor", or anything you want. Once you have invested the time to set all this up, it's very easy (one-touch) to toggle between theses whole-dashboard set ups. I had exactly this functionality, in an older version with fewer screens, on my last boat and loved it.

On a slightly related point, for techy people, here is the antennae set up:

jfm said:

Below is the graph from Sleipner of the stabiliser performance.

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Very, very interesting, J.
Many thanks again for sharing all of this with us - against all odds, if you see what I mean...

It's probably neither here nor there in terms of relevance for the on/off comparison, but out of idle curiosity:
what's the difference between movement and angle, in roll measurements?
I can't recall to have ever seen it in some other similar sheets (albeit for non-Sleipner stabs) I came across in the past.

Elessar said:

I would love to have heard those engines start for the first time.

"would be nice" must be an understatement crikey how excited are you really on a scale of 1 to 10??!

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Yes me too. They told me (at the launch) that MTU engineers come to the boat with a a laptop and perform the first start, though I guess the engines were run on MTU's bench back at the factory (Hurricane would know - he has been to MTU's factory)

Yes quite 10/10 excited. It's becoming a busy time here, organising lorries to take my stuff to Italy, buying insurance (MUCH more difficult at this value), organising crew, registrations, tonnage survey, etc.

MapisM said:

what's the difference between movement and angle, in roll measurements?

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Indeed against all odds

It reflects the asymmetry of a roll. Movement is the total angular stroke of the roll, whereas angle is the max deviation of the boat from pure horizontal. So movement is always about 2x angle, but not quite, when the roll is asymmetrical. It's not that useful for everyday users like us

Slightly interestingly, you get more asymmetry (eg 1.15deg movement vs 0.69deg angle ) with stabs on than stabs off, which is what you would expect because the stabs are interfering with mother nature and are not even trying to achieve symmetry.